On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by Andrea Gibson - one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. They discuss how Andrea’s cancer diagnosis resulted in a profound spiritual transformation stemming from a liberating feeling of acceptance. She also explains how this shift radically changed her writing and performances. Andrea shares stories and poetry that illuminate their unique perspective on death and grief, imploring us to face the unknown with curiosity and courage, and stop fighting against the circumstances of life. They and Thomas explore how welcoming feelings of grief and embracing mortality can enable us to truly cherish our lives and relationships, and imagine a world filled with wonder and awe. ✨  Enrollment is closing soon for Thomas’ live, online course: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing.  👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com Explore how to work with the impacts of collective crises and challenges, and learn tools to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. In this all-new curriculum, Thomas and expert guest speakers will engage in ecosystemic practices to collectively explore our resilience, agency, and capacity to stay present and find deeper meaning. Visit the link above for more details. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Andrea Gibson is one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. Best known for their live performances, Gibson has changed the landscape of what it means to attend a “poetry show.” Gibson’s poems center around LGBTQ issues, spirituality, feminism, mental health, and social justice. The winner of the first Women’s World Poetry Slam, Gibson is the author of seven award-winning books and seven full-length albums. Their live shows have become loving and supportive ecosystems for audiences to feel seen, heard, and held through Gibson’s art. ✨ Connect with Andrea Here: 👉 http://andreagibson.com/  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by Francis Weller, MFT - a psychotherapist, soul activist, and author of the bestselling, The Wild Edge of Sorrow. They discuss the need to return to a communal, ritual model of witnessing and processing grief. Francis explains that grief requires two things: containment, and release, and he shares how a structured grief ritual creates a supportive space where grief can be honored, held, and digested. Francis calls this the “village mind” - a communal field that invites us to let go of our individualistic notions about healing. In this context, we can be reminded of our interconnectedness, opened to transmissions from our ancestors, and more receptive to intuition and creativity. Francis invites us to see our collective crises as an initiation and grief as a reminder of the depth of our love. By understanding generational trauma, and slowing down to engage in communal practices, we can face these dark times with the courage and creativity needed to step into a radically new world.   ✨  Enrollment is open for Thomas’ upcoming live, online course: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing.  👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com Explore how to work with the impacts of collective crises and challenges, and learn tools to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. In this all-new curriculum, Thomas and expert guest speakers will engage in ecosystemic practices to collectively explore our resilience, agency, and capacity to stay present and find deeper meaning. Visit the link above for more details. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Francis Weller is a psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist. He is the author of the bestselling, The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief; The Threshold Between Loss and Revelation, (with Rashani Réa) and In the Absence of the Ordinary: Essays in a Time of Uncertainty. For forty-one years Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy. His writings have appeared in anthologies and journals exploring the confluence between psyche, nature, and culture. ✨ Connect with Francis Here here: 👉 http://www.francisweller.net  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

In this special bonus episode, Thomas leads us on a guided meditation to help ground us into our bodies and tune in with potentiality. He explores the mystical understanding of inspiration and how spiritual practice can help us to be more open and sense the potential of the future. This meditation is intended to help us integrate the learnings from the previous three episodes in our four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness. ✨  Enrollment is open for Thomas’ upcoming live, online course: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing.  👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com Explore how to work with the impacts of collective crises and challenges, and learn tools to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. In this all-new curriculum, Thomas and expert guest speakers will engage in ecosystemic practices to collectively explore our resilience, agency, and capacity to stay present and find deeper meaning. Visit the link above for more details. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas examines the relationship between technological innovation, creativity, and trauma healing. He explores how trauma hinders our ability to evolve, update, and grow, and how advances in technology have outpaced the ethical maturity of our collective consciousness.  He emphasizes the need for our societies to integrate collective and ancestral trauma so that we can stop repeating cycles of harm and learn to use our technology wisely.  Thomas stresses that this is possible and that creativity and art can help us to “speak the unspeakable” and harvest essential learning from the frozen wounds of the past. This episode is part three of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness. ✨  Enrollment is open for Thomas’ upcoming live, online course: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing.  👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com Explore how to work with the impacts of collective crises and challenges, and learn tools to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. In this all-new curriculum, Thomas and expert guest speakers will engage in ecosystemic practices to collectively explore our resilience, agency, and capacity to stay present and find deeper meaning. Visit the link above for more details. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas Hübl is joined by contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness, Dr. Angel Acosta. They discuss the rise of Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology and its implications for our collective evolution as a species. In developing this technology, humans have unintentionally imbued it with our own biases and traumas.  Thomas and Angel reflect on what’s needed for our individual and collective nervous systems to adapt to so much overwhelming information, and how we can incorporate wisdom from mystical and spiritual traditions to guide us through this new frontier.  Can we examine how AI is mirroring humanity in order to achieve new levels of spiritual, emotional, and psychosocial evolution? Can we learn to use these imperfect tools to propel us forward in our interconnected evolution instead of perpetuating separation and polarization?  This episode is part two of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.   ✨  Enrollment is open for Thomas’ upcoming live, online course: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing.  👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com Explore how to work with the impacts of collective crises and challenges, and learn tools to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. In this all-new curriculum, Thomas and expert guest speakers will engage in ecosystemic practices to collectively explore our resilience, agency, and capacity to stay present and find deeper meaning. Visit the link above for more details. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Dr. Angel Acosta is the principal consultant at Acosta Consulting. His work is focused on bridging the fields of leadership, social justice, and mindfulness. He has a doctorate degree in curriculum and teaching from Teachers College, Columbia University. Over the last couple of years, he has co-designed the Contemplating 400 Years of Inequality Experience – a contemplative journey to understand structural inequality. He's a proud member of the 400 Years of Inequality Project, based at the New School in New York. Learn more here: 👉 https://www.drangelacosta.com/    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by Co-Founder of the Center for Humane Technology, Randima Fernando. They discuss how technology hijacks our dopamine response and reinforces trauma symptoms. Randima explains the downstream consequences of the “attention economy,” including social media’s addictiveness and its negative impacts on our psychology. He and Thomas explore how better technology education, along with mindfulness practices, can offset these negative effects and help us bring our dopamine systems back into balance. Randima emphasizes how important it is, for both children and adults, to understand our own moral motivations so that we can become less susceptible to manipulation from technology and media. This episode is part one of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness. ✨  Join Thomas for a free, live online event with Q&A - The Evolving Map for Trauma Healing 👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/event Explore new ways to support both yourself and your clients in managing the stress and anxiety of collective change. Learn tools to stay present, responsive, and connected during times of change and uncertainty. This enables us to be an active participant in what's happening in the world, and help others who are experiencing dysregulation.  Register for free at the link above. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Randima Fernando is a Co-Founder of the Center for Humane Technology, which has helped over 100 million people understand the harms of extractive technology through the documentary film “The Social Dilemma,” the podcast Your Undivided Attention, and many other projects. Randima served for seven years as founding Executive Director at Mindful Schools, a nonprofit that has taught mindfulness to kids and educators worldwide. He is the author of three #1-ranked books on 3D graphics over seven years at NVIDIA. He also serves on the board of Spirit Rock Meditation Center. Learn more here: 👉 https://randima.com/   Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by the author of the New York Times bestseller, On Our Best Behavior, and the host of the podcast “Pulling the Thread”, Elise Loehnen. They discuss what she calls the ‘cultural shadow’ of women - the ideas and behaviors that women have been socialized and conditioned to reject - and how women can embrace their complicated totality instead of repressing their authentic selves. Elise’s recent book examines women’s social conditioning through the lens of the “seven deadly sins”. She and Thomas explore the trap of “goodness” for women and how the standards imposed on them lead to harmful repression, inequality, and resentment. Elise stresses that people of all genders are harmed by unfair standards that are propagated through social power structures, and posits that we can free ourselves from these constricting gender roles by reframing our thinking and integrating our shadows instead of projecting them onto others. ✨  Join Thomas for a free, live online event with Q&A - The Evolving Map for Trauma Healing 👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/event Explore new ways to support both yourself and your clients in managing the stress and anxiety of collective change. Learn tools to stay present, responsive, and connected during times of change and uncertainty. This enables us to be an active participant in what's happening in the world, and help others who are experiencing dysregulation.  Register for free at the link above. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books, including five New York Times Best Sellers. Previously, she was the chief content officer of goop. While there, Elise co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. She was previously the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler, and before that, the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she also served as the on-air spokesperson. Learn more here: 👉 https://eliseloehnen.com 👉 https://eliseloehnen.substack.com  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by internationally renowned researcher, educator, and author Dr. Joy DeGruy. They discuss how fear and ignorance impact our ability to recognize our fundamental oneness, and what’s needed for American society to come together to heal our collective wounds. Dr. DeGruy has spent a lengthy career in what she calls “heart work” - bringing people together to share their stories and generate a level of intimacy, empathy, and understanding that can only be gained through first-hand experience.  She and Thomas explore how trauma has been normalized for marginalized groups and the need for those with privilege to examine their biases, particularly anti-black racism, and use their power to advocate for what’s right. They discuss our collective tendency to try to avoid feelings and upsetting information, and how we must do the opposite and lean into these difficult learnings and conversations in order to stop repeating the harms that sow division.  ✨  Join Thomas for a free, live online event with Q&A - The Evolving Map for Trauma Healing 👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/event Explore new ways to support both yourself and your clients in managing the stress and anxiety of collective change. Learn tools and to stay present, responsive, and connected during times of change and uncertainty. This enables us to be an active participant in what's happening in the world, and help others who are experiencing dysregulation.  Register for free at the link above. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Dr. Joy DeGruy is an internationally renowned researcher and educator. For over two decades, she served as an Assistant Professor at Portland State University’s School of Social Work and now serves as President and Chief Executive Officer of Joy DeGruy Publications Inc. Her research focuses on the intersection of racism, trauma, violence, and American chattel slavery. She conducts workshops and trainings in the areas of intergenerational/ historical trauma, mental health, social justice, improvement strategies, and evidence-based model development. Dr. DeGruy has published numerous refereed journal articles and authored her seminal book entitled Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America’s Legacy of Enduring Injury & Healing. Learn more here: 👉 https://www.joydegruy.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas explores the idea of spiritual insight and how having a consistent, disciplined, contemplative practice can increase the depth of meditation and allow genuine insights to emerge. As we travel through life, we can learn to see the movement that is inherent in everything and use our soul’s energy to realize our potential and discover where we are called to belong. Thomas considers this idea of “finding your way” and how we can be open to our planet’s knowledge and evolution and use that information creatively to illuminate our own path forward. But that’s not the only key piece - we must also practice attunement within our personal relationships and absorb lessons from our ancestors so that we can move into the future without re-creating the past. This episode was recorded as part of the 2018 Celebrate Life Festival. ✨ Thomas’ Art of Attunement course is 50% off - for a limited time.    👉 https://www.artofattunementcourse.com In this self-paced course, Thomas will lead you on an exploration of the practices and skills that increase your capacity for being present and attuned. These are some of the most important relational skills that we can develop. The Art of Attunement includes 7 modules of recorded teachings, meditations, and transformative attunement practices, plus a special bonus package of attunement practices to help heal the illusion of separation.  Enroll by March 21 to get the course for $97 - that’s half off of the regular price. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by neuroscientist, education philosopher, and social entrepreneur Dr. Sará King, and clinical professor of psychiatry, co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA, and Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute Dr. Dan Siegel. They discuss the concept of Intrapersonal Neurobiology - an interdisciplinary approach to understanding how our minds create our experiences, with an emphasis on the benefits of what Dr. Siegel refers to as “self-expanding emotions” - empathy, compassion, gratitude, and awe. They dive deep into the idea of the collective nervous system, how we can learn to experience it, and how that can help us shift from defining the self as a solo entity to understanding humanity as fundamentally interconnected. In doing this, Dr. King and Dr. Siegel posit that we can create a stronger sense of belonging, increase our sustainability, and assist in the evolution of the planet instead of its destruction. ✨ Thomas’ Art of Attunement course is 50% off - for a limited time.    👉 https://www.artofattunementcourse.com In this self-paced course, Thomas will lead you on an exploration of the practices and skills that increase your capacity for being present and attuned. These are some of the most important relational skills that we can develop. The Art of Attunement includes 7 modules of recorded teachings, meditations, and transformative attunement practices, plus a special bonus package of attunement practices to help heal the illusion of separation.  Enroll by March 21 to get the course for $97 - that’s half off of the regular price. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Dr. Sará King is a neuroscientist, political and learning scientist, education philosopher, social-entrepreneur, public speaker, and yoga and meditation instructor. She is a post-doctoral fellow in Neurology at Oregon Health Science University, a Garrison Institute Fellow, and Society for Neuroscience Associate, and a member of Google’s well-being think tank “Vitality Lab.” She is also the founder of MindHeart Consulting, a scientific consulting firm.  Learn more here: 👉 https://mindheartconsulting.com Dr. Dan Siegel is a clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine and the founding co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA. He is also the Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute which teaches insight, empathy, and integration in individuals, families, and communities. He is the author of many books, including five New York Times bestsellers. Dr. Siegel also serves as the Founding Editor for the Norton Professional Series on Interpersonal Neurobiology. Learn more here: 👉 https://drdansiegel.com/ 👉 https://www.mindsightinstitute.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by writer, speaker, and meditation teacher Sebene Selassie. She provides guidance and wisdom for meditation instructors and beginners alike. She and Thomas discuss ways to create a consistent, coherent, and long-term practice, even when meditation feels difficult or overwhelming due to trauma. Sebene explains key elements, such as mindfulness and compassion, that can help us build a strong foundation and observe what arises during meditation with kindness and understanding. She and Thomas also explore how meditation can benefit activism and participation in society, and the importance of practicing in relation and community, especially for those of us dealing with trauma. Sebene opens up about her own healing journey, and how her meditation practice has helped her accept difficult realities and learn to be present with pain. She shares how her practice has illuminated our interconnectedness, and how we can all use our basic senses to experience this connection and shape our experience of reality.   ✨ Thomas’ Art of Attunement course is 50% off - for a limited time.    👉 https://www.artofattunementcourse.com In this self-paced course, Thomas will lead you on an exploration of the practices and skills that increase your capacity for being present and attuned. These are some of the most important relational skills that we can develop. The Art of Attunement includes 7 modules of recorded teachings, meditations, and transformative attunement practices, plus a special bonus package of attunement practices to help heal the illusion of separation.  Enroll by March 21 to get the course for $97 - that’s half off of the regular price. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Sebene Selassie is a writer, teacher, and speaker who explores themes of belonging, resilience, and transformation through contemplative, creative, and nature-based practices. She is trained as a meditation teacher, an integral coach, a practitioner of Indigenous Focusing Oriented Therapy for Complex Trauma (IFOT), and is a licensed hiking guide in New York State. Sebene is also a devoted student of mystic traditions. She has taught classes, workshops, and retreats since 2010. Her first book, You Belong: A Call for Connection, is published by HarperOne. Learn more here: 👉 https://www.sebeneselassie.com 👉 https://sebeneselassie.substack.com   Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by celebrated business thinker, social entrepreneur, Founder of "The Week", and author of Reinventing Organizations, Frederic Laloux. They discuss how hierarchy relies on certain people having power over others, and how this concept is antithetical to our true human nature, despite being deeply ingrained in society. They explore Frederic’s work to help organizations shift to a “self-managing” model, and what it takes to get people on board. Frederic has learned that by bringing people together to surface their deepest assumptions about their way of operating, and examining what that implies about humanity, they can organically come to accept a non-hierarchical structure. He and Thomas discuss how our economic and educational systems reify a worldview of scarcity and distrust, and how we would all benefit from a more communal society. They also dive deep into Frederic’s work on climate change, and how his organization “The Week” is creating spaces to process the harsh reality of environmental disaster so that we can discover new avenues to combat it without feeling alienated and alone. ✨ Thomas’ Art of Attunement course is 50% off - for a limited time.    👉 https://www.artofattunementcourse.com In this self-paced course, Thomas will lead you on an exploration of the practices and skills that increase your capacity for being present and attuned. These are some of the most important relational skills that we can develop. The Art of Attunement includes 7 modules of recorded teachings, meditations, and transformative attunement practices, plus a special bonus package of attunement practices to help heal the illusion of separation.  Enroll by March 21 to get the course for $97 - that’s half off of the regular price. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Frederic Laloux is a celebrated business thinker and social entrepreneur. His seminal book Reinventing Organizations has sold more than 1,000,000 copies in 20+ languages. It is widely considered to have opened up a new field of inquiry and practice into a more purposeful, soulful, and productive management paradigm. His thinking has inspired countless leaders from start-ups to large corporations, from nonprofits to faith movements, and from government agencies to founders of some of the largest climate movements. His current focus is on The Week, a powerful new approach to inspire mass mobilization to confront the climate and environmental breakdown. Learn more here: 👉 https://www.theweek.ooo/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas discusses two forces that drive us as human beings: the will to become, and the will to belong. He explores how our formative parental relationships can either encourage or subdue our drive to become our authentic selves and how our early strategies to compensate for scarcity can influence our path as adults.  Thomas emphasizes the relationship between becoming and creativity and notes the harm caused by inhibiting a child’s freedom to be themselves. Ultimately, we all seek nourishing relationships imbued with supportive energy. And although trauma tends to reduce our spiritual energy, we can learn to reconnect to the source and get back to a place of abundance. This episode was recorded as part of the 2018 Celebrate Life Festival. ✨ Join Thomas, Sounds True founder Tami Simon, and renowned poet Andrea Gibson for a collective presencing live event – The Crisis of Us and Them: Healing Our Tendency to Divide and Polarize. 👉 https://join.soundstrue.com/thomas-huebl/ In this free, online event, we’ll explore how to transform conflicts and inspire change. Discover the human capacity to mindfully attend to global events with an embodied awareness, and learn to maintain connection and empathy during disagreements and overwhelming moments. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by wholeness advocate, thought leader, and legendary Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter, Alanis Morissette. They discuss how to adhere to your values while passionately pursuing your life’s purpose, and how to re-connect to your authentic self after experiencing trauma. Alanis shares the somatic practices that helped her to overcome dissociation and experience embodiment again, and the pivotal role that art and music played in her journey. She and Thomas also explore how difficult it can be to thrive in a competitive, male-dominated industry as a highly sensitive person, and how becoming a parent contributed to her personal development and ultimately helped her heal her own trauma. ✨ Join Thomas, Sounds True founder Tami Simon, and renowned poet Andrea Gibson for a collective presencing live event – The Crisis of Us and Them: Healing Our Tendency to Divide and Polarize. 👉 https://join.soundstrue.com/thomas-huebl/ In this free, online event, we’ll explore how to transform conflicts and inspire change. Discover the human capacity to mindfully attend to global events with an embodied awareness, and learn to maintain connection and empathy during disagreements and overwhelming moments. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Alanis Morissette is a widely influential singer-songwriter with 14 Canadian Juno Awards, 7 Grammys, and over 75 million albums sold. She’s known for her debut “JAGGED LITTLE PILL,” and has released nine more acclaimed albums. Beyond music and acting, she’s committed to spiritual and psychological well-being, supporting causes like recovery and female empowerment. In 2016, she launched a podcast where she shares her insights. Her multifaceted career highlights her impact across multiple platforms and subjects. ✨ Connect with Alanis Morissette here: 👉 https://alanis.com/   Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, political candidate, and former US Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn, and author, consultant, and advocate for post-trauma awareness, Bob Delaney. They discuss the trauma faced by public servants, including those in law enforcement, and what can be done to foster healing and end cultural stigmas around therapy and mental health challenges.  Harry opens up about how he’s channeling his anger from a traumatic experience into positive action for change. He explains how his willingness to be open about his struggles has been instrumental in his healing and is now an inspiration for others. All three agree that vulnerability comes from a place of strength, not weakness, and they explore how we can create safe, judgment-free environments where those who have experienced trauma can feel comfortable opening up and receiving help. Point of Relation podcast does not support or oppose candidates for public office or political parties. Guest appearances do not imply endorsement by the host or producers.  ✨ Join Thomas, Sounds True founder Tami Simon, and renowned poet Andrea Gibson for a collective presencing live event - The Crisis of Us and Them: Healing Our Tendency to Divide and Polarize. 👉 https://join.soundstrue.com/thomas-huebl In this free, online event, we’ll explore how to transform conflicts and inspire change. Discover the human capacity to mindfully attend to global events with an embodied awareness, and learn to maintain connection and empathy during disagreements and overwhelming moments. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Harry Dunn joined the United States Capitol Police in 2008, and since 2011 has served with the rank of Private First Class. He has been on duty for presidential inaugurations, joint sessions of Congress, State of the Union addresses as well as hundreds of peaceful protests and demonstrations. As a Crisis Intervention Officer on the USCP Crisis Negotiation Team, he is trained to respond to hostage or barricade situations and assisting individuals who may be experiencing a mental crisis.  He speaks candidly about the trauma he experienced as well as the larger sociopolitical and historical significance of the events he witnessed. A prominent and essential voice, Officer Dunn shares his first-hand experience with audiences that include government groups, law enforcement, mental health professionals, colleges and universities, and community organizations. ✨ Connect with Harry Dunn here: 👉 https://harrydunnforcongress.com/ Bob Delaney is an author and an advocate for post-trauma awareness. He has worked with the military, law enforcement, firefighters, first responders, healthcare workers, and many others by providing post-trauma awareness and education. His contributions to PTSD awareness and support to military officials and their families have been recognized with honors and proclamations from many, including President Barack Obama and senior-ranking military leaders. He consults globally on leadership, resiliency, trauma, and self-care. ✨ Connect with Bob Delaney here: 👉 http://www.delaneyconsultants.com/  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl

Thomas Hübl explores what motivates people to walk the spiritual path, and how it can be difficult to discern our true calling when our personal and societal environments are fragmented. He explains how being present with and processing our experiences allows us to fulfill our spiritual karma, heal inherited wounds, and close narrative circles that originated in the past. Thomas defines karma as an unconscious energy that presents us with a choice: allow this energy to be passed on un-processed, or consciously process this energy so that we can light the way towards a more creative, authentic, and evolved future. This episode was recorded during the 2018 Celebrate Life Festival. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, spiritual teacher, outspoken activist, and the founder of the Center for Transformative Change - Reverend angel Kyodo williams. They discuss the healing power of being seen as your true self, and how this creates the conditions for collective healing. Rev. angel explores how systems of power and oppression have created divisions in our society and undermined our sense of belonging, especially for Black people and other marginalized groups.But in creating safe spaces that are resilient enough to allow our true selves and feelings to arise, we find relationality through our suffering, and begin to heal these culturally ingrained divisions. And while this work is neither comfortable nor easy, our increasing willingness to sit with discomfort illustrates our innate desire for liberation and connectedness. ✨ Become a member of Thomas Hübl’s membership community, The Mystic Café, and join us for an all-new 10-Day Challenge: Cultivating Space. 👉 https://mysticcafeonline.com/space  During each day of the challenge, Thomas will share teachings, guided meditations, and practices focused on cultivating spaciousness individually and in community. Learn how to turn crises into wisdom and grow your resilience, agency, and ability to respond to an increasingly complex world. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Rev. angel Kyodo williams is a maverick spiritual teacher, master trainer, outspoken activist and social visionary. She is a leading voice for Transformative Change, practicing at the intersection of personal change and social transformation. For over 15 years, she has deeply invested her time and energy in putting into practice her unwavering belief that the key to transforming society is transforming our inner lives. She has developed comprehensive systems for illuminating both practical personal change and the profoundly liberating potential of mindfulness, yoga, and somatic practices coupled with wisdom teachings. ✨ Connect with Rev. angel Kyodo williams here: 👉 https://revangel.com/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, consultant, and advocate for post-trauma awareness, Bob Delaney. They discuss the profound impact of Bob’s time doing undercover work to infiltrate mafia crime families. He experienced intense shame and guilt from deceiving the people he was investigating, despite believing that the work was necessary.  He and Thomas discuss how Bob overcame the isolation and trauma of repressing these emotions, and how society can better serve the first responders who endure so much trauma in their lines of work. Bob emphasizes the importance of having outlets to express emotions rather than repressing them and the need to improve attunement and relational capacities between these workers and the people they’re serving. ✨ Become a member of Thomas Hübl’s membership community, The Mystic Café, and join us for an all-new 10-Day Challenge: Cultivating Space. 👉 https://mysticcafeonline.com/space  During each day of the challenge, Thomas will share teachings, guided meditations, and practices focused on cultivating spaciousness individually and in community. Learn how to turn crises into wisdom and grow your resilience, agency, and ability to respond to an increasingly complex world. ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Bob Delaney is an author and an advocate for post-trauma awareness. He has worked with the military, law enforcement, firefighters, first responders, healthcare workers, and many others by providing post-trauma awareness and education. His contributions to PTSD awareness and support to military officials and their families have been recognized with honors and proclamations from many, including President Barack Obama and senior-ranking military leaders. He consults globally on leadership, resiliency, trauma, and self-care. ✨ Connect with Bob Delaney here: 👉 http://www.delaneyconsultants.com/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing

Thomas answers questions submitted by listeners. He explores how post-traumatic learning and growth can occur both individually and collectively. Collective healing is a powerful force that can help our societies evolve by surfacing past wounds that need to be addressed, giving us the opportunity to restore our social ethics, and helping to prevent similar traumatic events from occurring in the future. He also discusses what causes a person to be “highly sensitive,” and how approaches to nervous system regulation and emotional grounding should be tailored to fit the needs of people with this type of refined perception. ✨ Join Thomas for a free, live event -  Cultivating Space: How To Turn Crises Into Wisdom in an Increasingly Complex World. 👉 https://www.mysticcafeonline.com/space  Thomas will share new teachings on cultivating space and nurturing wisdom, resilience, and loving-kindness in an increasingly complex world. He'll explore how to apply spirituality and mystical principles to everyday life - including challenging or overwhelming aspects that are seemingly "unfixable." If you're looking for fresh insight into difficult issues in your life or the world, we invite you to join us! ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by humanitarian, writer, and social entrepreneur Zainab Salbi. They discuss the difficult nature of working in the humanitarian space to address the many injustices that people, particularly women, face worldwide. Zainab explains how being open and vulnerable about her own traumatic experiences gave her the compassion and inspiration needed to tell women’s stories and work to end oppression, systemic violence, and climate change. In a line of work that is so emotionally taxing, she’s learned firsthand how crucial it is to resource yourself with the same kindness you show to others and care for your own emotional well-being. As she puts it, “You can’t give out of an empty well.” Trigger Warning: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault and violence against women. If you anticipate this topic to be too triggering for you to hear about and effectively process on your own, we recommend you choose not to listen. ✨ Join Thomas for a free, live event -  Cultivating Space: How To Turn Crises Into Wisdom in an Increasingly Complex World. 👉 https://www.mysticcafeonline.com/space  Thomas will share new teachings on cultivating space and nurturing wisdom, resilience, and loving-kindness in an increasingly complex world. He'll explore how to apply spirituality and mystical principles to everyday life - including challenging or overwhelming aspects that are seemingly "unfixable." If you're looking for fresh insight into difficult issues in your life or the world, we invite you to join us! ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com  Zainab Salbi is a humanitarian, a writer and a social entrepreneur who has dedicated her life to women’s rights and freedom. She is the co-founder of Daughters for Earth and Women for Women International, a humanitarian organization dedicated to women survivors of wars. She is the author of several books, including Freedom Is an Inside Job; Owning our Darkness and Our Light to Change Ourselves and the World. She is also the Executive Editor and Host of several shows including Through Her Eyes with Yahoo News, and The Zainab Salbi Project with Huffington Post. She is a Young Global Leader with the World Economic Forum and serves on the Boards of Vital Voices, International Refugee Assistance Program (IRAP), and Synergos International. ✨ Connect with Zainab Salbi here: 👉 https://zainabsalbi.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing